Monday, February 24, 2020

Last Idol 8th Single Audtion

I wasn't planning to make a post about Last Idol's 8th Single Audition, but I've been thinking more about it this week and felt the need to write down my thoughts.

Back in December, at the 2nd Anniversary concert held on Christmas Day, there was a surprise announcement of the 8th single. This time, it would be a competition, something we haven't seen since the 5th single. Out of the current 41 members in Last Idol Family, 18 would be selected to sing on the title track.



After the announcement, Midori said she was a little excited and Abe said that lately she's been a little unsatisfied. Maybe Abe's looking for a challenge. The 2nd Gen's Machida Honoka said she's already scared and about to cry and Chou Cream Rockets's Aimi said it's been a long time since she's battled, so she's nervous.

I expected it to be more like the one on one battles of the past, but thankfully, it was a more casual type of audition. Members drew numbers and were put into groups.


Each group would then perform in front of a panel of Judges, 9 in total, who would award them from 0 - 100 points. They are judged in 3 catagories:

- Dancing
- Singing
- Single Phrase performance (This is sort of like an appeal)

There are some familiar faces among the Judges like Omori Seiko, Go Yoshida, CRE8BOY, and Akane who did the choreography for Last Idol's 7th single, "Seishun Train".


Yoshida commented that he'll do his best to create another flare up. It's really hard to find an English translation, but flare up means creating controversy. Of course, Yoshida is referencing his controversial decision to eliminate Midori from the 1st season, despite the other 3 Judges voting for her. He made a similar decision during the 2nd Gen's survival show, but it didn't have the same impact.

Each group does the dancing portion simultaneously and they all perform the same 30 second choreo put together by Akane. For the singing portion, they perform individually. I'm not going to review every member, just those that stood out for better or for worse.

For the dancing portion:

- Abe looked good as expected. She's so tall and really stretched her body out. One fan referred to her as "Abe Boss", so I don't know if that's an actual nickname, or something they gave her. I've always just called her "Giant Abe" after the wrestler Giant Baba. Yoshida said Abe's dancing was overwhelming.

- The 2nd Gen Unders Himari caught my attention during the battle for the 2nd Generation. She's kind of in the mold of Keyakizaka46's Hirate. Himari's dancing here was good, but she didn't stand out as much as I thought she would.


- I was really surprised by LaLuce's Haruka. She moved really well and showed allot of confidence.
I wasn't expecting this at all.

I think Akane expressed concern because none of them showed any expression while dancing.

- Good Tear's Kana was another stand out. My eyes were immediately drawn to her and even the judges pointed out that she was the only one who smiled. Kana even got a pick up shot.


There really isn't much to say about the rest of the groups since most were done in a digest. It's worth noting that Midori's dancing wasn't good as expected. It looked like she was just flailing her arms and legs, lol. I don't know how much time they had to prepare, but I imagine the routine was a bit higher level then she was used to (After watching the episode a second time, Midori didn't look as bad).

Regardless of the weakness of certain members, Akane said the field was good and it was a perfect score in this category. She was glad to see their growth.

For the singing portion:

- Abe sang Silent Majority. She didn't sound quite as good as she usually does. Abe's very consistent,
but something was a little off here. Even the judges pointed it out. Some fans commented that she didn't choose the best song for her voice. Song selection can go a long way to showcasing your singing ability, so that's a good point. Omori Seiko even commented that she didn't think it was the right song to showcase Abe's range.

For her Single Phrase performance, Abe said: "My motto for my Idol life is 'I'll always aim to be my best'".

- Again, Himari, the Hirate inspired girl, didn't impress me as much as she did in the 5th Gen battle, so it's a bit disappointing.

- Laluce's Haruka performed a very simple song and was complimented for it. She cried afterwards, so I'm not sure what was up.


There were two members in the middle groups that really stood out. Both are in the 2nd Gen, so I'm not familiar with them:

- The 2nd Gen Unders's Yoneda Miina has a fantastic voice! She picked the perfect song for her, so that really helped. She might be the best pure vocalist in Last Idol Family. Another judge, HKT48's Yuukosu, said she didn't expect to hear this kind of singing ability at an Idol audition. I don't know if that's a compliment, lol.


- The 2nd Gen's Machida Honoka also sounded really good. Another nice surprise. Yoshida said that her dancing and singing is the best at the moment.

- Midori sounded great as expected. Her voice was clear and strong. I still think she's in the top 5 vocalists in the entire group. Yoshida commented that the song choice was good and he hopes she passes at the time of selection.

- Back in the first season when the 1st Gen battle took place, Love Cocchi's Airi really stood out. Along with Abe, I thought she was the best overall performer. I think she could even go solo. However, just like Abe earlier, I found her singing a bit lacking. Not sure why.

- Airi's group mate, Rio sound really good however. Very clean and clear vocals. She and Airi have always carried Love Cocchi in the vocals department, so she came through here.

- Love Cocchi's Honoka has never been a good dancer or singer. She's more of a Variety talent and likes to showboat. She brought 4 talisman's to the audition to help her chances. She sounded okay here, but for some reason held out a fake eye to the Judges. The title of the song translates to "Drop Your Eyes Out", so I guess she wanted to work in some kind of gimmick.


- Mizuno Mana, who was one half of the W Center for the 5th single performed by the 2nd Gen, didn't impress me too much with her vocals. I expected more considering she started the survival show as the center and remained there the entire season. Mana gave a very weird single phrase performance. She did some kind of cheer about having 337 beats. I didn't get it.

- LaLuce's Airi injured her eye, so she was wearing a patch over it. When she came out, Omori Seiko started laughing. The song Airi chose to sing was called "Pupil" and Yoshida commented that someone who injured their eye is singing Pupil. The Judges made the connection with Honoka's earlier performance when she held out the fake eye which they showed on screen. The coincidence was too perfect.



Now on to the really bad:

- The 2nd Gen's Oba Yume was the first one who sounded really bad. She had allot of trouble during her performance and was crying. For her Single Phrase performance, Yume said: "I would like to grow in the future so my weediness becomes attractive". The SHOWROOM President, Maeda, still complimented her on her performance saying that it was great and he got a good impression from her.


- Hata Misaki A popular 2nd Gen member who participated in allot of interviews for the 6th single, forgot the words halfway through her performance. She was understandably upset afterwards and I'm sure she lost allot of points.


- In general, there were allot of mediocre and outright bad vocal performances. They focused particularly on 2nd Unders Shiraishi Mana who's eyes were bugging out. The pic below doesn't do it justice, lol. Her vocals were pretty bad, but she was praised for her expression. I don't know, I thought the whole thing was pretty cringey.


It's worth noting that the Judges aren't going to outright say you were terrible. They'll find some way to compliment you even if you stunk the place up. In the case of Chou Cream Rockets Momoka, Yoshida said she still has a long way to go, but did improve.

- Now we get to Someday Somewhere's Wakana. Before her performance, she gave a speech:

"In the early days of group activity, it was confusing for fans and members often felt uneasy and conflicted with each other. I want Last Idol to become national Idols. I want to be the Last Idol and do my best."

She can be very melodramatic and has expressed these sentiments before. Wakana then proceeds to perform Bandwagon along with the full choreography. It's been over 2 yrs. since she was eliminated from the 1st Gen battle, and she still hasn't gotten over it. I get that it's disappointing, but she made this too personal. Wakana gets so emotional, that her performance completely falls apart. She's a good dancer, but her voice has always been shakey and can't hold a note to save her life. Wakana made it worse for herself by picking such a triggering song like Bandwagon. She cries and her vocals are a mess.


Omori Seiko is moved to tears, likely because she was the one who was called on to vote during Wakana's battle against Abe and she chose Abe, thereby causing her elimination.

Seiko: "I was reminded that the first time I saw "Bandwagon" performed, Wakana was the center. Seeing her perform it again made me realize the burden I'd been carrying. I feel like I'll do my best too. Thank you very much."


Yoshida commented that even though her performance wasn't the best, she managed to convey something in it. One fan thought that this was meant to provide closure between Wakana and Seiko, so maybe there's something to that.

I just thought this whole thing was ridiculous. It's should have been a straightforward and drama free audition, but Wakana chose to make it about herself. It's entirely possible she was put up to it by management, but we'll never know. Despite Seiko complimenting Wakana after the perf, I can't imagine she got many points for this. Also, this display will only feed Wakana's anti's more.

A few Judges gave some closing comments.

Akane said that out of the 1st Gen, she thought the overall skill of the LaLuce members was overwhelming.

Seiko thinks that Abe is the best singer and dancer.

Yoshida said he wants to see Wakana's strength and determination.

That's it for the audition phase. I'll be back to talk about the final selection which was announced last Wednesday. You can watch both episodes of the audition here:

Ep. 1: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av87038860

Ep. 2: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av88586225/?spm_id_from=333.788.videocard.2

Monday, February 3, 2020

Mameshiba no Taigun - 2ch Comments


I've been hearing some rumblings that fans aren't that happy with the direction Mameshiba no Taigun is going in as well as being unhappy that Kuro-chan is gone, so I decided to dive into 2ch to see what I can find out. Before I get into the comments, here's a brief history of the group.

Mameshiba no Taigun (Horde Of Little Shibas) is a new Idol group under the WACK company. It was formed during the audition project "MONSTER IDOL". It ran from early October until the end of December in 2019 as a featured segment on the popular variety show Downtown. The project was produced in cooperation with Watanabe Junnosuke (the founder of WACK) who produces and manages groups like BiSH,  BiS, GANG PARADE, and others. The competition portion was carried out at a Training Camp in Okinawa similar to the annual WACK Training Camp auditions held in March.

In the end, 4 members were selected from a total of 16. The overall producer is Kuro-chan, a talento and Idol fan.


Mameshiba's debut single "Restart" did well, selling 64k copies in it's first week and reaching #1 on Oricon. This is thanks in part to the gimmick used. There are 3 versions. Kuro-chan's fate would be decided on which version sold the most copies:

Version 1 - Kuro-chan continues as their Producer.
Version 2 - Kuro-chan is fired.
Version 3 - Kuro-chan is fired and punished.


Unsurprisingly, version 3 sold the most. Kuro-chan's punishment was to be hung upside down and periodically dunked in fish tanks full of ice water. Mameshiba performed their debut song while the punishment was administered. With Kuro-chan out of the picture, Mameshiba will be operating completely within WACK.

(This is the best source I could find to make a gif of the punishment)

Shortly afterwards, a fifth members was added, although she didn't participate in the recording of the debut single or shooting of the MV. She had failed on the last day of the Training Camp and was given another chance.

With that out of the way, here are some comments I translated from the most recent Mameshiba thread I could find on 2ch. These threads get pretty massive, so I just scanned through the first 100 or so posts (They cap out at 1k posts and then a new one is opened). It still gives us a good idea of what fans are talking about. This is the 11th Mameshiba thread:

Mameshiba 2ch Thread 11

*Note: Nao and Miyuki seem to be favorites among fans.

13 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/21(火) 21:08:00.93 ID:JSY83ucla.net[1/2]

Because there aren't many singing programs, Idols can be difficult to sell.
I wonder if Utaban or heyhey will be revived.

(*Utaban was a music show that ran from 1996 - 2010. It was hosted by the comedy due Tunnels which consisted of Ishibashi Takaaki, a comedian, actor and singer, and Nakai Masahiro, the leader of SMAP. Morning Musume were frequent guests. heyhey must be "Hey! Hey! Hey! Music Champ". It was another music related show hosted by Downtown that ran from 1994 - 2012)

52 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 06:17:10.00 ID:MlX8RxTpa.net[2/4]

Since Mameshiba became a WACK style group, their popularity has dropped,
so I haven't read Nao or Kaede's (twitter posts).
I'll start paying attention again when they're more active/when it gets exciting.

53 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 06:18:00.89 ID:MlX8RxTpa.net[3/4]

Nao is popular with adults and women in the general public,
Currently, WACK sylte (groups) are at a disadvantage because they only appeal to Kimo-ota.

(*Kimo-ota is short for Kimoi Otaku, which is worse than a regular Otaku. It means you hold them in contempt and consider them to have a disgusting character, appearance, and preferences/tastes)

54 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 06:19:20.98 ID:MlX8RxTpa.net[4/4]

If Nao and Kaede became models for a Fashion Magazine, they could develope female fans separately and opporutunities as a Talento could open up.

57 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 07:54:28.93 ID:LP2AK6pK0.net

Why did they change their costumes?
I wish they had kept the ones they had on the last episode of the tv show.

Now they're dressed like Yankees and normal fans have disappeared.
What do they do?

61 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 08:16:25.48 ID:L9xdRIjZ0.net[1/7]

I'm grateful that I can easily buy a ticket.
If their popularity really explodes like BiSH, you'll have to line up at 5:00 or you won't be able to get in to the privilege party.

(*I used privilege party because it the closest translation I could get. It refers to several things: mini lives, release events, autograph sessions, etc. You usually buy a CD at the venue to get a ticket)

62 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 08:19:20.46 ID:kHv7kYAr0.net

Before the costume change, there was a sense that they could aim for the Kohaku.

(*Kohaku Uta Gassen, NHK's annual New Year's special where Red and White teams compete in a singing competition)

65 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 08:58:22.13 ID:ZrzpSid/a.net[3/13]
>>57

I don't think it's because of the costume change.
They've just been forgotten by television viewers.

67 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 09:06:10.27 ID:CglFjqfa0.net[1/2]

Kuro-chan likes cute Idols, but Watanabe isn't interested in them.
Their polar opposites in what type of Idols they prefer.

68 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 09:11:01.88 ID:ftPcKd/ma.net
>>65

Really, I don't even see Mameshiba's name anywhere.
The people watching TV aren't really out in society.

(*I went with a literal translation for the second sentence, but I think they just mean that fewer people are watching TV)

69 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 (アウアウウー Sa4b-OCo9):2020/01/22(水) 09:36:25 ID:tcxEBSWVa.net[2/3]
>>65

These are my feelings now.
Songs are the most important.
At the moment, their songs are being made by Idol loving amateurs like Kuro-chan.
I'm sure he got help from a professional.
Even if they continued with Kuro-chan, fans would get bored with it,
and they won't sell enough albums to participate in the Kohaku or the Japan Record Awards.
Even when the 2nd single comes out, I think interest will drop in seconds. (*I think he means this will happen if Kuro-chan continues as Producer)
When you think about it Mameshiba's options, they need to do a song like BiSH.

70 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 (ワッチョイ 477b-mfm/):2020/01/22(水) 09:39:22 ID:CglFjqfa0.net[2/2]

If they want to make a major debut, I think it's necessary to add members who are good at singing.
Compared to other groups, their singing level is low.
Dancing is unavoidable.

71 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 (アウアウウー Sa4b-OCo9):2020/01/22(水) 09:58:17 ID:tcxEBSWVa.net[3/3]

Personally, I like the current lineup and hate the idea of adding more members.
Mameshiba has only just begun, so it's okay if they're not that good yet.
It's amazing how BiSH can scream while giving flashy performances,
but when they formed they weren't that great.
I want these 5 members of Mameshiba to reach that level of skill.

73 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 (ササクッテロレ Sp7b-dry8):2020/01/22(水) 11:09:26 ID:Bq5Q7dcqp.net

It's impossible to keep these members in WACK.

75 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 12:21:07.89 ID:NyP7ARFHa.net

They're TV Idols.
People on the Internet don't know them.
Only people who watch TV are aware of them.

82 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 (ワッチョイ 7f25-u2lK):2020/01/22(水) 14:03:28 ID:eYokWJPH0.net

Their names after the name change are too lazy.
They already did it with BiSH, like Aina The End.
Are all the Idols working under this Producer named like this?

90 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 15:25:06.79 ID:UYH/NVCo0.net
>>69

Even if they go the BiSH route, stay away from EMPiRE.
They were definitely better going the cute route.

99 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 16:15:08.14 ID:4G1HCpMpp.net

Even if the the general public knows about them, the Japan Record Awards only care about Major Offices.

104 :ファンクラブ会員番号774 :2020/01/22(水) 16:26:45.85 ID:g8QuvAob0.net[2/4]

I don't think it's necessary to put Mameshiba next to BiSH.
Watanabe has a narrow view as a Producer, so he can only makes similar groups.
The other groups are just rehashes of BiSH
The same thing will happen to Mameshiba.

http://nozomi.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/idol/1579560857/0-

Even though this is just a small sampling of what fans are saying, it gives me enough to give an opinion. And I should point out that this is just fans that post on 2ch. Anyway, it's a bit too early to tell where Mameshiba will go, but fans bring up some good points.

As far as popularity, it's hard to gauge if it's really dropped or not. The first single has sold over 100k copies, but allot of that can be attributed to bulk buying. They were also on a popular show like Downtown. Had this been a separate show all on it's own, it might not have gotten the same amount of viewers, so their initial popularity might have been overestimated.

(Current costumes for the 5 member lineup of Mameshiba no Taigun)

About the costumes. It might not seem like a big deal, but I can see where the complaints are coming from. The WACK groups have gone with the Yankee/Sailor look allot. When I first saw the new uniforms, I thought "Oh, they're going with these again. They've just debuted, and Mameshiba are already dressing like the other groups have".


(Top - GANG PARADE / Bottom - BiS 1st and BiS 2nd)

Even the ones they wore on the TV show are similar to what groups like BiSH and BiS wore in the early days. The same person designs the clothing for all the WACK groups, so I guess he can't help himself. Looking at them from a different angle, it's typical for newer groups to go with a fairly generic look when they debut, no matter what company they're from. The second single will be a test to see if they change up their look for the better.

The other big issue is that fact that they're entirely under the direction of WACK now. Like one fan wrote, Watanabe has a tendency to repeat himself, and there's a real chance Mameshiba just end up as another group with no real identity. I think it would be better to distance them from the company and utilize outside producers. There's an opportunity to cross over and appeal to people that don't typically follow WACK groups. It would be a shame to waste it.

Moving forward, I would like to see them take advantage of giving each single some kind of stipulation to each version. As long as it doesn't get too crazy like voting out a member.

Which brings me to the last point. It's hard to say just how many members will stay in the group. WACK can get pretty crazy and allot of members have left during the companies existence. We'll have to wait and see if Watanabe takes the same hands off approach with Mameshiba that he does with BiSH.

All this being said, it will be interesting to see how things turn out. Will Mameshiba end up as just another WACK group or will they be able to create their own unique identity and break away from the pack? I'll continue looking through 2ch comments and post any more that I think offer good insights.

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